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How impressed are you with China's Olympic performances thus far?

My gosh... I didn't realize the Chinese athletes are so gifted and determined until witnessing these remarkable, ensuing days... hats off to them!

ESPN wrote:
China's the boss, and it's not even close

BEIJING -- The story line was in place even before they filled the pool inside the Water Cube. This was always going to be China's Olympics to win, and there wasn't a lot the United States or anybody else could do about it.

The message didn't come from the Chinese, though they had to have a pretty good idea what was coming. They didn't spend billions on the magnificent structures where these games are being staged with the idea of coming in second in the medal standings.

No, it was the American side playing the game of lowered expectations. Better for those at home to understand going in that these games might be tough than have them look up midway through the Olympics and wonder what in the name of Michael Phelps is going on.

Which is precisely what many have to be wondering about now.

Lowered expectations are one thing. Lowered performances are another.

Sure, Phelps cleaned up in the pool and his teammates added to the swimming haul. That's almost expected, because Americans have dominated swimming at most Olympics since Johnny Weissmuller won five gold medals in the 1920s.

And U.S. athletes are doing a fine job of finishing second and third. Already, 50 of them have spent a few Olympic moments in Beijing standing on podiums listening to the national anthems of other countries.

But the golds? Gone to China, nearly every one. Well, not quite, though it may seem that way to everyone not watching American television. While NBC has spent much of its prime-time glorifying all things Phelps, the host country has been busy collecting the most prized medals by the handful.

In just 10 days, the Chinese have not only passed the total number of golds (32) they won four years ago, but also the total number (36) won by the United States in Athens. As of Monday night they had 39 golds, closing in on the 44 won by the U.S. in 1996 in Atlanta. The U.S. won 83 golds at the 1984 Los Angeles Games, but those were boycotted by the Soviet Union and its allies.

China's success is no surprise. The country's Project 119 program was designed to match that many total medals at these games, and China has spared no resources in making sure that happens at home in Beijing.

What is a bit surprising is that the U.S. lags so far behind in a gold-medal race that figured to be competitive, if nothing else. The Olympic powerhouse that topped the gold medal count the last three Olympics has a grand total of 22, and that's after all the swimming that isn't synchronized has ended.

Take away the eight won by Phelps and things really look dismal.

"We were trying to lay expectations down that we've seen this coming for a couple of years and certainly didn't want anyone to be shocked," U.S. Olympic official Steve Roush said, referring to the lopsided medal tally. "Some felt maybe we were sandbagging. I wish we were."

Ask why the Chinese are dominating the gold-medal count while the U.S. struggles to pick up a gold here and there, and you hear the usual things. The home team always gets a boost from the Olympics, China has a sports school program that trains athletes from a young age, and the hosts have targeted certain sports (weightlifting, shooting, badminton) to cash in on.

Left unsaid is that the U.S. also identifies athletes at a young age, spends hundreds of millions of dollars to train them, and throws in a nice bonus if they win gold. And no country has done anything more to make their athletes feel at home in China than the Americans.

They took over a local university so the 600 athletes could train and live in comfort, imported tons of their favorite food, provided them with everything from masseuses to sports psychologists, and even taught them the words to the national anthem, just in case.

They still aren't winning, something the Chinese are beginning to notice.

"Track and field competitions were already in the third day and so far 'Uncle Sam' hasn't taken one gold," the nation's biggest sports newspaper, the Titan Sports Weekly, said Monday.

That changed when Stephanie Brown Trafton won the women's discus and the American men swept the 400 hurdles. U.S. officials hold out hope for a strong final push in track, but Tyson Gay didn't even qualify for the 100-meter final, what was supposed to be an All-Star shot put trio flopped, and there's not a Carl Lewis anywhere in sight.

"I am surprised we haven't won more gold," Brown Trafton said. "But you know what? I hope this sets a trend."

Much to NBC's horror, there's not a lot left out there to even make it close, unless IOC officials rewrite the rules and give the U.S. credit for all of the 12 gold medals that will surely hang around the neck of the U.S. men's basketball team on Sunday.

Purists will insist that none of this matters and that the Olympics are all about individuals and teams doing their best for Olympic glory. They'll say just competing means more than anything.

That, of course, is nonsense.

Bragging rights by countries have been an Olympic staple since the inception of the modern games in 1896. They were especially fun -- even important -- to grab during the Cold War, where the medal haul often served as a proxy for real world events.

The world has changed, but that hasn't.

And with time beginning to run out in these games, the U.S. isn't finding a lot to brag about.

Very impressed
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Somewhat impressed
27% (3 votes)
Not impressed
27% (3 votes)
Total votes: 11

Re: How impressed are you with China's Olympic performances thus

China's golds are for sure commendable. Excellent job all around -- and I'm sure there's more medals to come over the next few days!

However, so far my favorite Olympic moment has to be Phelps victory by .01 seconds in the butterfly. Astounding.

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Opening ceremony, Phelps and Liu Xiang....

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and Usain Bolt in the 100 meters

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I already said what I think-this thread.
http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/2008/08/18/Even-playing-field

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Re: How impressed are you with China's Olympic performances thus

Here is my two cents:

I'm still more impressed with the individual athletes performances no matter what country they come from.

If we are talking about China versus the US in terms of performances, my hats still goes off to American athletes.

Most of the American athletes (not all) are not career athletes. They are full-time university students, moms, dads, white collar and blue collar workers. The American athletes are old and young, moms and dads, fat and skinny, tall and short, attractive and not so attractive, black, white, yellow and brown.

The American athletes didn't spend 4 plus years locked up 24 hours a day training for the Olympics. The American athletes trained hard but that was during the same time they were receiving a great education, or working a full-time job and raising a family.

The American athletes still had a life and was able to win gold, silver and bronze......even the ones that didn't win any medal still made it to the olympics because of their hardwork.

The Chinese athletes had to become full-time 24 hours a day, 365 days a year for 4 years to try and beat America's part-time athletes. Sorry but I'm still impressed with the American athletes more.

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Why does almost every thread on this forum about medals and the Olympics end up about China vs the US?

You guys do realise that there are other countries involved too right?

If you want to talk about "hats off" to countries/athletes beating the odds, then the Americans don't come close compared to countries like Jamaica, Slovaika and the full list here.

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Blucat, as right as you are and I completely agree with you, unfortunately to truth is this would be like ignoring the Tyson/Hollyfield fight to about 'knitting as a profession'.

Again, I agree with you but lets be honest China put on this great party to invite everyone here to let the world see them beat the US. Unfortunatley for them, most of the world isn't watching.

Re: How impressed are you with China's Olympic

mrathell wrote:

Again, I agree with you but lets be honest China put on this great party to invite everyone here to let the world see them beat the US. Unfortunatley for them, most of the world isn't watching.

I think that is an overly cynical statement Mrathell.

Firstly I believe that China wanted to host the Olympics for a number of reasons, and the fact that they are winning is just the icing on the cake.

Secondly, why do you think the world isn't watching? I am sorry to harp on about this again, but it seems you mean "America isn't watching"

In NZ for example, all the events featuring kiwi's are well followed, and I would guess that that is true in many countries. Of course they don't give a dam about watching China or whoever win the 10m air pistol, or baseball, but events that we are in are followed. I was having dinner with an English guy the other night and he was also very up to date and informed about both the GB team's medals and the events still to come. The Australians....? Well need I say (they would watch the tiddlywinks world championships if you told them it was a sport)

I am not saying that any more are watching than usual, but I wouldn't say any less are either.

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true Blucat, I stated that wrong. What I meant is that the world isn't watching the olympics they way that Chinese citizens believe the world is watching.

When I'm here I feel as though the entire world is watching China based off of the Chinese media and listening to the average Chinese citizen. But whenever I go home its nice to see that anything relating to China or the olymics is none existent. Of course there is something mentioned about China but not much at all.

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mrathell wrote:
true Blucat, I stated that wrong. What I meant is that the world isn't watching the olympics they way that Chinese citizens believe the world is watching.

way hey! We have agreement on something:-)

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Right now, the most impressive Olympics performance by China as far as I am concerned is Jian Yin in the women's sailboarding RS:X

Even though she probably is the only true professional in the group, and even though her local knowledge of wind conditions and currents will be better than her opponents, to overcome the lack of experience both individually and in the sailing community here (is there even one?) and to lead the table is amazing.

Pity no one outside of the sailing world will realise that.

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I don't believe the whole world is watching. Actually, I don't care if the are watching or if they pay any attention.

But if you are here, in Beijing, at the Olympic time, and you don't watch...thats a little bit weird.

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Speaking of Yin Jian,, she just clinched gold in the medal race by finishing third. Grats to her. I love the Olympics,, best moments so far have been : Michael Phelps, Usain Bolt, Elena Isinbejeva, Pamela Jelimo and the Chinese gymnastics team. Also the Danish boat in the 49' class getting gold in the medal race after being wrecked just minutes before the race under stormlike conditions, the 2 Danes swam ashore, borrowed a boat from the Kroatians, started 5 minutes after the other boats and still managed to finish 7 and get the gold. I am not really into sailing at all but thats quite an achievement in my book.

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lodgerly wrote:

But if you are here, in Beijing, at the Olympic time, and you don't watch...thats a little bit weird.

Not weird at all. Why watch a bunch of professionals perform their job against a bunch of amateurs. China has not seen fit to provide at least one station in english or any other language for those of us who cannot speak chinese. However, in the U.S. you can watch any CCTV station from satellite. It is bigotry at it's highest and there is nothing weird about not watching the olympics in beijing.

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Yes it's a bummer if you don't speak Chinese and you are attempting to watch the games on TV -- there's no English option available at all.

It's going to really begin to stink later this week when there are many finals without a China team that don't get shown while CCTV doubles up on other coverage of the sports where there is a Chinese finalist.

BTW does anyone have a reliable source for a CCTV television schedule? I tried to find one on their website but failed. I want to know if I'll be able to watch the gold medal matches for baseball and water polo

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just observe random Chinese spectators transfixed to a TV set showing CCTV... they're probably too busy basking in jubilation to even notice the sour air of envy floating across international waters.

the fact remains the Chinese is taking home the heaviest basket of gold... and the People are obviously proud of their country's accomplishments irregardless of how much the westerners and their media try to downplay them...

as for the whiners who love harping about professional career athletes versus part-time athletes... pffffff... dude, whatever helps you sleep better.

so what's the difference between the professional gold medalist and the bus driver who lands 8th place?

lets see... one becomes a wealthy, celebrated national hero, rewarded for his/her lifetime dedication... and the other, well... a bus driver who gets to take home nice memories of the opening ceremony.

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Re: How impressed are you with China's Olympic performances thus

LaoZhong wrote:
the fact remains the Chinese is taking home the heaviest basket of gold... and the People are obviously proud of their country's accomplishments irregardless of how much the westerners and their media try to downplay them...

Excuse me but there is no such word as IRREGARDLESS.

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Re: How impressed are you with China's Olympic

I'm soooo sorry for hurting your feelings LaoZhong.

Maybe this will make you feel better and mend your booboo's

"all hail the three Chinese 11 year old gymnast. All praise to the Chinese country for blantantly displaying and lying so openingly about their ages to the world in order to win the gold."

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mrathell wrote:
I'm soooo sorry for hurting your feelings LaoZhong.

Maybe this will make you feel better and mend your booboo's

"all hail the three Chinese 11 year old gymnast. All praise to the Chinese country for blantantly displaying and lying so openingly about their ages to the world in order to win the gold."

Now you are my hero!!

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zhenlai wrote: Excuse me

zhenlai wrote:
Excuse me but there is no such word as IRREGARDLESS.

there is, irregardless of what you say.

@marthell,

i'm also sooooorry that even a 11 year old could whip your countrymen, if in fact they even qualified. =P

Re: zhenlai wrote: Excuse me

LaoZhong wrote:
zhenlai wrote:
Excuse me but there is no such word as IRREGARDLESS.

there is, irregardless of what you say.

The manner in which you used the word is improper. It is only to be used in a humorous setting. Try using the word in an American school and see how fast you fail. I still contend there is no such word and for you to continue to use it only shows your ignorance. As an example I point to your posts about the Olympics.

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Am I the only one who sees the pink elephant standing in the middle of the room?

Re: zhenlai wrote: Excuse me

zhenlai wrote:
LaoZhong wrote:
zhenlai wrote:
Excuse me but there is no such word as IRREGARDLESS.

there is, irregardless of what you say.

The manner in which you used the word is improper. It is only to be used in a humorous setting. Try using the word in an American school and see how fast you fail. I still contend there is no such word and for you to continue to use it only shows your ignorance. As an example I point to your posts about the Olympics.

too bad there isn't an Olympic event for backpedaling... you would've won gold.

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LaoZhong wrote:
@marthell,

i'm also sooooorry that even a 11 year old could whip your countrymen, if in fact they even qualified. =P

I guess so if that is the only way they knew they could win. But the Americans still received the coveted gold medals without lying and cheating.....cooooooool Wink

Re: How impressed are you with China's Olympic performances thus

Meh. The only time I watch any Olympics is when I'm having lunch with my colleagues. I'll also get a summary of the situation through their chitchats. Otherwise for me it's watching other channels/DVD at home. You do realise that there is life OUTSIDE the Olympics? Anyway, most of it is during the day and I have to try and earn my few fen during that time.

lodgerly wrote:
I don't believe the whole world is watching. Actually, I don't care if the are watching or if they pay any attention.

But if you are here, in Beijing, at the Olympic time, and you don't watch...thats a little bit weird.

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mrathell wrote:
But the Americans still received the coveted gold medals without lying and cheating.....cooooooool ;)

the man who sees pink elephant is clearly in denial:

Quote:
Carl Lewis's positive test covered up

By Jacquelin Magnay
April 18 2003


Olympic legend Carl Lewis is among more than 100 American athletes involved in a cover-up of drug use, documents reveal.

Lewis and two of his training partners all took the same three types of banned stimulants and were caught at the 1988 US Olympic trials, according to the documents released by a disgruntled former senior US anti-doping official, Dr Wade Exum.

But on appeal to their national Olympic committee, all were cleared of inadvertent doping. Two months later, at the Seoul Olympics, Lewis finished second in the 100 metres sprint. But when Canadian Ben Johnson failed his Olympic drug test, Lewis was awarded the 100m gold.

Lewis also won the Olympic long jump - as part of his career tally of nine Olympic gold medals - and his training partner, Joe De Loach, won the 200m in Seoul.

Lewis's lawyer, Martin Singer, has responded to the revelations by saying his client had taken only a herbal remedy.

"Carl did nothing wrong," Mr Singer told The Orange County Register. "There was never intent."

The latest documents show Lewis tested positive for the banned stimulants found in cold medications: pseudoephedrine, ephedrine and phenylpropanolamine.

The World Anti-Doping Agency's chairman, d*** Pound, dismissed the "no intent" defence. Mr Pound has seen copies of the documents and said that in some instances there was almost "automatic forgiveness" by the US officials.

Letters written by a US Olympic Committee executive, Baaron Pittenger, were sent advising some athletes of their positive drug-test results - and at the same time told them they were being cleared.

"It's got to be pretty embarrassing to the USOC," said Mr Pound, "to have their secretary-general writing in the letter, where he advises an athlete of a positive A sample, 'I have to send you this, but we already decided this was inadvertent.' That whole process turned into a joke."

Dr Exum, the former USOC
director for drug control from 1991 to 2000, released more than 30,000 pages of documents to Sports Illustrated. They confirm widespread suspicion of the USOC drug-testing system before it was moved to an independent body, the US Anti Doping Agency, after the Sydney Olympics.

The Herald reported last year that a US athlete tested positive to steroids in 1999 but was allowed to compete - and win an Olympic gold medal - in the 2000 Sydney Games. US officials still refuse to divulge the name of the athlete, or those of 13 other athletes who had failed drug tests around the same time, citing privacy laws.

In the Seoul 100m, Britain's Linford Christie was elevated from third to second after Johnson was disqualified. In later years, Christie was banned for using steroids.

The International Olympic Committee's medical commission chairman, Arne Ljungqvist, said the Exum documents "fit a pattern" of failure to report on positive drug cases. But the USOC called Dr Exum's accusations "baseless".

Dr Exum said there were more than 100 positive tests for US athletes who won 19 Olympic medals between 1988 and 2000, but many were allowed to keep competing.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/04/17/1050172709693.html

Re: zhenlai wrote: Excuse me

LaoZhong wrote:
zhenlai wrote:
LaoZhong wrote:
zhenlai wrote:
Excuse me but there is no such word as IRREGARDLESS.

there is, irregardless of what you say.

too bad there isn't an Olympic event for backpedaling... you would've won gold.

You were still wrong. The word is like the word aint. There is truly no such word but do to common, ignorant, usage it makes it's way into the dictionary. Common usage does not make it a word. I urge you with all speed to abandon your use of this word.

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Re: How impressed are you with China's Olympic performances thus

LaoZhong wrote:

as for the whiners who love harping about professional career athletes versus part-time athletes... pffffff... dude, whatever helps you sleep better.

"as for the whiners who love harping about professional career athletes versus part-time athletes...(well, I don't have a counter argument so I will say) "pffffff... dude, whatever helps you sleep better."

The Chinese mentality and methods are little different from the Eastern Block win at all costs cold war crap.

It wasn't respected then, and I don't know why it should be respected now. The attitude is contrary to both the spirit of the games and sports in general.

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LaoZhong, typical, typical, typical.

The article is hearsay based on a disgruntle ex-employees statements.

'...according to the documents released by a disgruntled former senior US anti-doping official, Dr Wade Exum.'

The article lacks evidence, only mention snippets of articles from the past articles without any follow-up, first hand testimonies, doping reports and it doesnt end with any conclussive information.

The article was obviously written by a lazy journalist who failed to do the leg work and investigating before writing the article. It's nothing more that previous articles clipped together.

I believe all athletes who dope should be banned, but don't throw a grenade out their and run away. Athletes careers and reputations are on the line and should be dealt with in private until conclussive data is there...not speculation, especially from a disgruntle ex-employee.

with that said...

did you notice that it was US citizens blowing the wistle on US citizens, you wont find that in China.

Also, it was the stupidity of individual athletes, not 1.3 billion people all saying the same obvious lie.

But hey, wear that gold with pride, who cares about honor.

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